1 00:00:22,570 --> 00:00:09,080 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:29,170 --> 00:00:25,130 hello and welcome to the skeptic zone 3 00:00:32,450 --> 00:00:29,180 episode number 282 for the 16th of March 4 00:00:34,970 --> 00:00:32,460 2014 Richard Saunders here with you from 5 00:00:36,740 --> 00:00:34,980 Sydney Australia on this week's show 6 00:00:39,110 --> 00:00:36,750 we're going to be splashing with my 7 00:00:41,299 --> 00:00:39,120 please you saw that was actually a song 8 00:00:43,220 --> 00:00:41,309 from the 1980s splashing with my 9 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:43,230 plesiosaur well we're going to be 10 00:00:47,299 --> 00:00:45,210 talking to Daniel Loxton who is an 11 00:00:50,990 --> 00:00:47,309 author from Canada about his new book 12 00:00:52,670 --> 00:00:51,000 please es or peril Daniel Loxton of 13 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:52,680 course very famous for being involved 14 00:00:58,580 --> 00:00:56,250 with junior skeptic junior skeptic 15 00:01:01,279 --> 00:00:58,590 anyway we'll find out all about his 16 00:01:03,889 --> 00:01:01,289 latest book what I what I find 17 00:01:06,139 --> 00:01:03,899 children's book it is to please you saw 18 00:01:07,340 --> 00:01:06,149 apparel after that it's a week in 19 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:07,350 science from our friends at the Royal 20 00:01:14,749 --> 00:01:12,090 Institution of Australia w WR i USTA you 21 00:01:18,290 --> 00:01:14,759 and I wonder what's happening this week 22 00:01:19,940 --> 00:01:18,300 in a week in science after that it's the 23 00:01:23,540 --> 00:01:19,950 announcement of our winners of the 24 00:01:26,330 --> 00:01:23,550 cosmos giveaway signed the autographed 25 00:01:28,550 --> 00:01:26,340 book than the other bits and pieces and 26 00:01:32,390 --> 00:01:28,560 goodies two people one from Australia 27 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:32,400 and one internationally both came very 28 00:01:36,859 --> 00:01:33,930 close to guessing the right number 29 00:01:39,350 --> 00:01:36,869 between one and one thousand million and 30 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:39,360 up will be telling you more about that 31 00:01:44,719 --> 00:01:41,490 later on in the show and I was so 32 00:01:47,210 --> 00:01:44,729 pleased to see the great reviews for the 33 00:01:49,700 --> 00:01:47,220 latest series that the new series of 34 00:01:52,370 --> 00:01:49,710 cosmos and don't forget those people in 35 00:01:55,249 --> 00:01:52,380 Australia those people listening in 36 00:01:58,609 --> 00:01:55,259 Australia Oh indeed that show starts 37 00:02:00,590 --> 00:01:58,619 tonight on the sixteenth of March and 38 00:02:02,030 --> 00:02:00,600 we'll be going for weeks and weeks and 39 00:02:04,399 --> 00:02:02,040 weeks tune in to National Geographic 40 00:02:07,700 --> 00:02:04,409 everybody else around the world check 41 00:02:10,759 --> 00:02:07,710 your local listings what a great way to 42 00:02:13,100 --> 00:02:10,769 spend an hour in front of the TV after 43 00:02:14,810 --> 00:02:13,110 that it's dr. Reggie reports with the 44 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:14,820 latest goings on with the Australian 45 00:02:19,910 --> 00:02:17,370 vaccination network or as they're 46 00:02:23,630 --> 00:02:19,920 calling themselves now Australian 47 00:02:27,920 --> 00:02:23,640 vaccination skeptics Network Inc or 48 00:02:31,250 --> 00:02:27,930 vaccine skeptics oh boy oh boy you think 49 00:02:32,870 --> 00:02:31,260 we would be um you think we would be up 50 00:02:34,820 --> 00:02:32,880 in arms about this but you know what 51 00:02:38,210 --> 00:02:34,830 it's 52 00:02:41,030 --> 00:02:38,220 all bad for those anti-vaccination 53 00:02:44,090 --> 00:02:41,040 people as dr. rates you will be 54 00:02:47,150 --> 00:02:44,100 explaining in her dr. Richie reports 55 00:02:50,060 --> 00:02:47,160 this week an interesting update about 56 00:02:54,530 --> 00:02:50,070 the long and winding road the tortuous 57 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:54,540 tale of the vaccine denies in Australia 58 00:02:59,750 --> 00:02:56,250 you know what folks the other day 59 00:03:01,400 --> 00:02:59,760 another group of interesting people 60 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:01,410 homeopathy plus put out a little 61 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:03,690 statement saying that along the lines 62 00:03:10,390 --> 00:03:07,170 that if smallpox ever came back then 63 00:03:14,060 --> 00:03:10,400 people better reach for their homeopathy 64 00:03:16,640 --> 00:03:14,070 sometimes words fail me then to round 65 00:03:18,380 --> 00:03:16,650 off the show it's Maynard Maynard spooky 66 00:03:20,390 --> 00:03:18,390 action a bit of a light-hearted me not 67 00:03:22,850 --> 00:03:20,400 this week very much late hearted Maynard 68 00:03:25,610 --> 00:03:22,860 I caught up with Maine are we had a nice 69 00:03:28,940 --> 00:03:25,620 lunch together chewed the fat in a 70 00:03:30,830 --> 00:03:28,950 record bar in a record bus so may not 71 00:03:32,630 --> 00:03:30,840 spooky action this week is made out and 72 00:03:34,070 --> 00:03:32,640 I looking around a record bar and 73 00:03:37,250 --> 00:03:34,080 getting nostalgic about some of the 74 00:03:39,500 --> 00:03:37,260 albums just for fun just a light-hearted 75 00:03:44,380 --> 00:03:39,510 way to win this episode of the skeptic 76 00:03:48,199 --> 00:03:44,390 zone but before we get on with the show 77 00:03:52,729 --> 00:03:48,209 the world's media is full of news about 78 00:03:55,670 --> 00:03:52,739 this missing flight mh370 I don't need 79 00:04:00,259 --> 00:03:55,680 to explain it to you you no doubt know 80 00:04:02,390 --> 00:04:00,269 what's going on and guess who's come out 81 00:04:07,220 --> 00:04:02,400 of the woodworks yes it's the psychics 82 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:07,230 and their ilk who are now giving their 83 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:09,330 visions of where this missing aircraft 84 00:04:16,310 --> 00:04:13,170 might be Oh what helpful people they are 85 00:04:19,759 --> 00:04:16,320 what helpful especially one former spoon 86 00:04:23,659 --> 00:04:19,769 bender who says he's been asked to help 87 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:23,669 find the missing aircraft yeah this is 88 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:25,650 where the word skeptical really comes 89 00:04:31,850 --> 00:04:28,050 into its own as a good report about that 90 00:04:33,710 --> 00:04:31,860 are at doubtful news to Google doubt for 91 00:04:35,210 --> 00:04:33,720 news and have a look you would think 92 00:04:39,230 --> 00:04:35,220 that these people would have the good 93 00:04:42,230 --> 00:04:39,240 sense to shut up and one last thing on 94 00:04:46,610 --> 00:04:42,240 last week's show we are we spoke to dr. 95 00:04:48,050 --> 00:04:46,620 Besh sub about his upcoming trip to the 96 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:48,060 Utah desert where he's going to be 97 00:04:51,820 --> 00:04:48,650 similar 98 00:04:54,580 --> 00:04:51,830 any a Mars mission if you want to ask a 99 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:54,590 question of doctor Saab and why not what 100 00:05:00,159 --> 00:04:56,690 why are you going to Mars what's it like 101 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:00,169 being in this place what's the food like 102 00:05:04,779 --> 00:05:01,970 anything you want to ask him and the 103 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:04,789 team well if you send me the message 104 00:05:14,620 --> 00:05:08,690 I'll pass that along send your questions 105 00:05:17,650 --> 00:05:14,630 to dr. sub s aab care of cosmos at 106 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:17,660 skeptic zone TV well why not I've use 107 00:05:23,770 --> 00:05:21,410 that email address lately so why not 108 00:05:26,290 --> 00:05:23,780 again cosmos space Mars yeah it all 109 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:26,300 works if you have a question for doctor 110 00:05:30,969 --> 00:05:28,610 Saab about going to Mars send it to 111 00:05:35,290 --> 00:05:30,979 cosmos at skeptic zone TV I'll pass 112 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:35,300 those questions along and we'll see if 113 00:05:41,500 --> 00:05:39,410 we can organize for him to reply here on 114 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:41,510 the skeptic zone keep listening to the 115 00:05:45,189 --> 00:05:43,010 end of the show where we have exciting 116 00:05:47,110 --> 00:05:45,199 news about the upcoming Australian 117 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:47,120 skeptics national convention here in 118 00:05:52,450 --> 00:05:50,090 sydney in november but for now well my 119 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:52,460 voice is just about to conk out I think 120 00:05:57,210 --> 00:05:55,250 I in fact I'm just getting over a cold I 121 00:05:59,710 --> 00:05:57,220 picked up from my Navy of a day you go 122 00:06:00,879 --> 00:05:59,720 now it's worth it it's worth it seeing 123 00:06:03,310 --> 00:06:00,889 you near view if you get a cold 124 00:06:04,930 --> 00:06:03,320 occasionally oh well that's like it so 125 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:04,940 I'm gonna run downstairs and get that 126 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:08,570 lovely young lemon and honey and vodka 127 00:06:35,730 --> 00:06:11,330 and and lemon and honey while you enjoy 128 00:06:41,770 --> 00:06:39,070 and joining me now from that wonderful 129 00:06:45,390 --> 00:06:41,780 country they'll and I dream of land of 130 00:06:49,420 --> 00:06:45,400 hockey pucks and the Friendly Giant 131 00:06:52,090 --> 00:06:49,430 things like that it's Daniel Loxton hi 132 00:06:54,100 --> 00:06:52,100 thanks for having me not a problem 133 00:06:55,750 --> 00:06:54,110 Daniel in fact we haven't seen each 134 00:06:58,390 --> 00:06:55,760 other for quite a while I think the last 135 00:06:59,590 --> 00:06:58,400 time was the amazing meeting yeah I 136 00:07:01,960 --> 00:06:59,600 would have been in the halls of town 137 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:01,970 it's a great gathering place for the 138 00:07:06,700 --> 00:07:04,010 skeptics yes it is and I think that's 139 00:07:09,940 --> 00:07:06,710 the last time I saw your wonderful wife 140 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:09,950 Cheryl mm-hmm I think the last time I 141 00:07:13,930 --> 00:07:12,410 saw her I ran up and gave her a big hug 142 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:13,940 and I said wow great to see you and she 143 00:07:20,230 --> 00:07:18,050 said be careful I'm pregnant now we have 144 00:07:22,330 --> 00:07:20,240 have two children now so it's keeping us 145 00:07:23,830 --> 00:07:22,340 busy I bet it is and it's quite 146 00:07:25,630 --> 00:07:23,840 appropriate in a way because you're on 147 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:25,640 the show today well to have it chatting 148 00:07:30,340 --> 00:07:27,650 a bit of a catch up but also to talk 149 00:07:32,590 --> 00:07:30,350 about your new book I'm very lucky i 150 00:07:35,590 --> 00:07:32,600 have a preview copy here and it's it's 151 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:35,600 just sumptuous the imagery is beautiful 152 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:39,170 it's all about pleasing sores which some 153 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:40,850 people mistake for dinosaurs but then 154 00:07:45,430 --> 00:07:42,290 they are a little bit different it's 155 00:07:48,100 --> 00:07:45,440 called please es or peril what can you 156 00:07:50,860 --> 00:07:48,110 tell me about that yeah so please yes or 157 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:50,870 apparel is my third and final 158 00:07:58,680 --> 00:07:53,450 installment of the tales of prehistoric 159 00:08:02,230 --> 00:07:58,690 life series for kids can press and it is 160 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:02,240 it is a story book for little children 161 00:08:06,790 --> 00:08:05,930 it's a design for ages four to seven so 162 00:08:09,940 --> 00:08:06,800 it's the kind of thing that you could 163 00:08:12,370 --> 00:08:09,950 read to your kids at that time but it is 164 00:08:14,100 --> 00:08:12,380 it is meant to be as grounded as 165 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:14,110 possible in 166 00:08:20,010 --> 00:08:17,650 you know legitimate genuine natural 167 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:20,020 history so as much as possible grounded 168 00:08:26,130 --> 00:08:23,650 in science or you know built on 169 00:08:27,930 --> 00:08:26,140 inference based on what is known from 170 00:08:30,510 --> 00:08:27,940 the fossil record and as I just 171 00:08:32,850 --> 00:08:30,520 mentioned the book itself looks looks 172 00:08:34,950 --> 00:08:32,860 beautiful the colors the imagery it 173 00:08:36,990 --> 00:08:34,960 almost looks like somebody jumped into a 174 00:08:39,900 --> 00:08:37,000 time machine with a a Cameron was taking 175 00:08:42,030 --> 00:08:39,910 photographs of these things it really is 176 00:08:43,770 --> 00:08:42,040 something special can you tell me a 177 00:08:46,140 --> 00:08:43,780 little bit about the the process of 178 00:08:48,540 --> 00:08:46,150 putting those images together oh yeah 179 00:08:50,180 --> 00:08:48,550 I'd be delighted to people who know me 180 00:08:53,670 --> 00:08:50,190 through my writing for skeptic magazine 181 00:08:56,970 --> 00:08:53,680 in the US or you know the junior skeptic 182 00:08:58,890 --> 00:08:56,980 section is my main gig there they don't 183 00:09:00,630 --> 00:08:58,900 always realize that I am primarily an 184 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:00,640 artist i come to skepticism through art 185 00:09:05,370 --> 00:09:03,130 and these these tales of prehistoric 186 00:09:08,790 --> 00:09:05,380 life books they really gave me the 187 00:09:11,820 --> 00:09:08,800 chance to cut loose you know i was i was 188 00:09:14,790 --> 00:09:11,830 really aiming for something that I you 189 00:09:17,250 --> 00:09:14,800 know that looked like you you know 190 00:09:19,410 --> 00:09:17,260 traveled back in time with a camera and 191 00:09:22,140 --> 00:09:19,420 just swam alongside these animals and 192 00:09:24,660 --> 00:09:22,150 took some shots it would have to be a 193 00:09:28,260 --> 00:09:24,670 really good camera and you'd have to be 194 00:09:31,350 --> 00:09:28,270 a very lucky photographer it's sort of 195 00:09:35,700 --> 00:09:31,360 heightened realism you know we build up 196 00:09:39,390 --> 00:09:35,710 a photorealist a scene as I can I me and 197 00:09:42,690 --> 00:09:39,400 my collaborators especially Jim Smith my 198 00:09:45,420 --> 00:09:42,700 collaborator on these books and we build 199 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:45,430 up a scene which is a you know as close 200 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:47,170 to perfectly realistic as we can achieve 201 00:09:53,250 --> 00:09:50,410 with our resources and then we tear that 202 00:09:55,290 --> 00:09:53,260 down again use kind of illustrators 203 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:55,300 tricks to you know heighten the lighting 204 00:10:00,360 --> 00:09:57,810 heighten the drama focus the attention 205 00:10:01,980 --> 00:10:00,370 you know to give it a little bit more of 206 00:10:05,510 --> 00:10:01,990 that storytelling class but it is meant 207 00:10:09,560 --> 00:10:05,520 to be grounded as much as possible in a 208 00:10:10,970 --> 00:10:09,570 realistic effect to connect it to the 209 00:10:13,100 --> 00:10:10,980 the kind of science grounding of the 210 00:10:15,410 --> 00:10:13,110 story well I'm just flipping through the 211 00:10:18,560 --> 00:10:15,420 pages of the book now and I mean it 212 00:10:20,680 --> 00:10:18,570 really is like somebody jumped into a 213 00:10:23,870 --> 00:10:20,690 time machine into a TARDIS with am a 214 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:23,880 high-resolution camera thank you those 215 00:10:27,890 --> 00:10:26,490 the ideas it's a lot of landscape 216 00:10:30,620 --> 00:10:27,900 photography which is a little tricky 217 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:30,630 underwater those photographs are highly 218 00:10:35,750 --> 00:10:33,170 manipulated those background photographs 219 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:35,760 in many cases or a dozens of photographs 220 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:37,530 that have gone into one background and 221 00:10:41,270 --> 00:10:38,730 quite a lot of computer-generated 222 00:10:43,850 --> 00:10:41,280 material as well and then the main 223 00:10:46,730 --> 00:10:43,860 character is a computer-generated and 224 00:10:48,500 --> 00:10:46,740 then it was extremely high resolution 225 00:10:50,570 --> 00:10:48,510 textures which in turn are taken from 226 00:10:54,770 --> 00:10:50,580 nature a lot of high-resolution 227 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:54,780 photography of you know live animals 228 00:10:58,970 --> 00:10:57,090 museum specimens I got some really 229 00:11:00,530 --> 00:10:58,980 fantastic access to the 230 00:11:02,210 --> 00:11:00,540 behind-the-scenes collections at the 231 00:11:05,900 --> 00:11:02,220 Royal British Columbia Museum here in 232 00:11:08,210 --> 00:11:05,910 Victoria which was really you know a 233 00:11:12,230 --> 00:11:08,220 really rich source for this and for the 234 00:11:14,930 --> 00:11:12,240 previous book pterosaur trouble and and 235 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:14,940 so you know by layering up all this real 236 00:11:19,190 --> 00:11:17,370 and computer-generated and artistic 237 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:19,200 material you should end up with 238 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:22,290 something which is really hard for 239 00:11:26,270 --> 00:11:24,330 people to decode you know it should it 240 00:11:27,650 --> 00:11:26,280 should look real and they should really 241 00:11:29,660 --> 00:11:27,660 wonder how on earth you achieved it 242 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:29,670 that's exactly what I was doing as I was 243 00:11:32,660 --> 00:11:31,050 flipping through the pages and of course 244 00:11:35,750 --> 00:11:32,670 this is a follow up as you said to you 245 00:11:39,380 --> 00:11:35,760 are the books the angular saw venture 246 00:11:41,180 --> 00:11:39,390 and the pterosaur trouble yup ma'am yes 247 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:41,190 it would be a great book for bedtime for 248 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:43,410 kids you can flip through and read the 249 00:11:48,380 --> 00:11:45,330 sweet little story about the plesiosaur 250 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:48,390 and show the kids these wonderful 251 00:11:55,370 --> 00:11:51,330 wonderful diagrams and the way that the 252 00:11:57,650 --> 00:11:55,380 sun is shining down through the the 253 00:12:01,610 --> 00:11:57,660 water it really is quite special well 254 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:01,620 done Daniel oh thank you very much i I'm 255 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:04,410 honestly I'm very proud of it I in 256 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:06,450 particular is a technical point that 257 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:08,130 your audience won't maybe care about but 258 00:12:15,770 --> 00:12:12,930 those kind of rich cyan colors of the 259 00:12:17,750 --> 00:12:15,780 water those are really easy to make on 260 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:17,760 your screen or relatively easy they 261 00:12:22,190 --> 00:12:20,130 don't reproduce very well in inks 262 00:12:24,770 --> 00:12:22,200 and so it's really on the edge of my 263 00:12:29,540 --> 00:12:24,780 seat waiting to see how those they're 264 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:29,550 really nice I'm very very pleased with 265 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:30,930 the production values that kids can 266 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:32,370 press brought to it now this is brought 267 00:12:40,970 --> 00:12:35,490 out by kids can press yeah can I assume 268 00:12:43,190 --> 00:12:40,980 that's short for Canada I believe they 269 00:12:45,830 --> 00:12:43,200 are the largest the largest printer 270 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:45,840 largest publisher of children's books in 271 00:12:49,630 --> 00:12:48,090 Canada and they are the publisher of my 272 00:12:51,500 --> 00:12:49,640 previous non-fiction book for children 273 00:12:54,590 --> 00:12:51,510 evolution how we and all living things 274 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:54,600 came to be which is really the big head 275 00:12:59,350 --> 00:12:57,330 of my career that one was sort of a 276 00:13:02,630 --> 00:12:59,360 surprise hit that took off beyond our 277 00:13:05,450 --> 00:13:02,640 expectations now how can ii give parents 278 00:13:09,890 --> 00:13:05,460 and others and well uncle's people like 279 00:13:15,170 --> 00:13:09,900 me get their hands on a puppy if not two 280 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:15,180 or three copies the amazon has it in 281 00:13:20,630 --> 00:13:18,330 stock amazon.ca up here we have it in 282 00:13:22,430 --> 00:13:20,640 stock at scam skeptic calm where you can 283 00:13:25,850 --> 00:13:22,440 find much of the rest of my work my work 284 00:13:28,340 --> 00:13:25,860 with junior skeptic and any any large 285 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:28,350 retailer in North America you should be 286 00:13:32,270 --> 00:13:29,970 either able to find it on the shelf or 287 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:32,280 order it in and support your local 288 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:34,290 booksellers to make sure to make sure to 289 00:13:37,850 --> 00:13:35,610 put in some requests at some of those 290 00:13:41,180 --> 00:13:37,860 little mom-and-pop stores and people can 291 00:13:46,130 --> 00:13:41,190 get more information by going to ww kids 292 00:13:47,450 --> 00:13:46,140 can press com yup that's right now 293 00:13:49,910 --> 00:13:47,460 speaking of other things and you just 294 00:13:51,650 --> 00:13:49,920 mentioned junior skeptic how long have 295 00:13:53,060 --> 00:13:51,660 you been involved with that because I 296 00:13:56,210 --> 00:13:53,070 seem to remember some years back I 297 00:13:59,060 --> 00:13:56,220 invented a a little origami dragon for 298 00:14:00,470 --> 00:13:59,070 junior skeptic you sure did that was 299 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:00,480 really kind of you and it was a fun 300 00:14:06,710 --> 00:14:02,850 little collaboration yeah I've been a 301 00:14:11,150 --> 00:14:06,720 junior skeptic for 11 or 12 years now I 302 00:14:14,060 --> 00:14:11,160 keep i came in at issue 14 and we are 303 00:14:16,730 --> 00:14:14,070 just rolling out issue 50 it comes out a 304 00:14:18,380 --> 00:14:16,740 little bit less than quarterly and so 305 00:14:19,250 --> 00:14:18,390 it's been it's been a long haul I've got 306 00:14:21,310 --> 00:14:19,260 to cover a lot of really interesting 307 00:14:24,910 --> 00:14:21,320 stories 308 00:14:26,950 --> 00:14:24,920 you know junior skeptic is the 10-page 309 00:14:29,710 --> 00:14:26,960 kids section bound into the back of 310 00:14:31,750 --> 00:14:29,720 skeptic magazine and it is the area 311 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:31,760 where we get to spend the most time 312 00:14:35,980 --> 00:14:33,410 looking at these kind of wonderful old 313 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:35,990 skeptical chestnuts you know the the 314 00:14:41,860 --> 00:14:39,410 great old paranormal stuff UFOs and 315 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:41,870 things that go bump in the night oh I 316 00:14:45,430 --> 00:14:43,970 love all that old stuff oh that's what 317 00:14:47,830 --> 00:14:45,440 really got me into it in the first place 318 00:14:48,970 --> 00:14:47,840 I know there's many horton issues and 319 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:48,980 skepticism of course the 320 00:14:53,470 --> 00:14:50,810 anti-vaccination the fight against those 321 00:14:55,420 --> 00:14:53,480 people and rip off merchants and all 322 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:55,430 sorts of things that well maybe a little 323 00:14:58,870 --> 00:14:57,410 bit new on the scene compared to the 324 00:15:00,520 --> 00:14:58,880 good old-fashioned stuff right like the 325 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:00,530 bit old-fashioned stuff and I like the 326 00:15:04,750 --> 00:15:03,050 fact that the younger generation kids 327 00:15:07,830 --> 00:15:04,760 getting interested in science and 328 00:15:11,110 --> 00:15:07,840 skepticism can get their teeth into that 329 00:15:13,180 --> 00:15:11,120 the old-fashioned skepticism the UFOs 330 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:13,190 the monsters the things like that they 331 00:15:16,690 --> 00:15:15,170 are they are great topics for kids the 332 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:16,700 monsters especially because they're nice 333 00:15:20,860 --> 00:15:18,290 kind of concrete mysteries they can dig 334 00:15:22,410 --> 00:15:20,870 their teeth into and often they're to 335 00:15:24,850 --> 00:15:22,420 some extent they're solvable mysteries 336 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:24,860 so that's always nice to be able to 337 00:15:30,130 --> 00:15:26,690 present a satisfying conclusion to a 338 00:15:33,700 --> 00:15:30,140 story you know this this brings up my 339 00:15:36,550 --> 00:15:33,710 other recent book abominable science my 340 00:15:38,260 --> 00:15:36,560 big book for grownups on the topic of 341 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:38,270 cryptozoology co-authored with donk 342 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:40,610 Prothero for Columbia University Press 343 00:15:45,220 --> 00:15:43,370 I'm writing that thing which is just a 344 00:15:48,630 --> 00:15:45,230 whopper it's like 400 pages on monsters 345 00:15:52,030 --> 00:15:48,640 I was surprised just how much 346 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:52,040 scholarship there is left to do on those 347 00:15:56,140 --> 00:15:53,570 topics even within my little sub 348 00:15:59,830 --> 00:15:56,150 specialty of legendary cryptozoological 349 00:16:01,180 --> 00:15:59,840 creatures this this kind of skeptical 350 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:01,190 investigation that we do the 351 00:16:05,830 --> 00:16:03,530 old-fashioned stuff I don't think 352 00:16:07,270 --> 00:16:05,840 there's any end in sight for that kind 353 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:07,280 of research I think it will always be 354 00:16:11,530 --> 00:16:09,170 needed and I think there are a lot of 355 00:16:14,500 --> 00:16:11,540 questions left to ask and still more 356 00:16:17,410 --> 00:16:14,510 left to answer yeah and it's fun let's 357 00:16:20,170 --> 00:16:17,420 face it it's all good old-fashioned 358 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:20,180 stuff it was so much fun to digress a 359 00:16:24,220 --> 00:16:21,650 little bit not long ago I was 360 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:24,230 interviewed by a TV station here about a 361 00:16:30,700 --> 00:16:27,530 story on UFOs and for a short time I was 362 00:16:35,230 --> 00:16:30,710 able to look at photographs of UFOs and 363 00:16:38,860 --> 00:16:35,240 give them my opinion and it made me feel 364 00:16:40,180 --> 00:16:38,870 bit nostalgic I yeah well I mean we you 365 00:16:42,790 --> 00:16:40,190 know what one thing that occurred jizz 366 00:16:44,769 --> 00:16:42,800 me is the knowledge that these mysteries 367 00:16:48,490 --> 00:16:44,779 are two very large extent they're 368 00:16:50,350 --> 00:16:48,500 underserved you know so you know we live 369 00:16:53,170 --> 00:16:50,360 in a world that no longer has a fill 370 00:16:54,940 --> 00:16:53,180 class or Carl Sagan digging into UFO 371 00:16:57,820 --> 00:16:54,950 mysteries but there are always new UFO 372 00:17:00,610 --> 00:16:57,830 mysteries so you know while there are 373 00:17:02,490 --> 00:17:00,620 many people focusing their attention on 374 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:02,500 very worthy soft as subjects like 375 00:17:06,850 --> 00:17:04,730 immunization and the hysteria 376 00:17:09,340 --> 00:17:06,860 surrounding immunization there are other 377 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:09,350 stories to explore other mysteries to 378 00:17:15,010 --> 00:17:12,050 solve and and that gets me up in the 379 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:15,020 morning I love those stories well that's 380 00:17:18,429 --> 00:17:16,970 why junior skeptic is so important I 381 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:18,439 guess because you get to go into those 382 00:17:26,470 --> 00:17:22,010 those topics do you get much feedback 383 00:17:29,770 --> 00:17:26,480 from the junior skeptics III do you mean 384 00:17:32,850 --> 00:17:29,780 from kids I i do and from parents and 385 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:32,860 teachers and that is really encouraging 386 00:17:37,030 --> 00:17:35,570 in recent years a lot of parents have 387 00:17:38,590 --> 00:17:37,040 been sending me pictures of their kids 388 00:17:43,090 --> 00:17:38,600 reading my books are reading to you 389 00:17:44,830 --> 00:17:43,100 something I mean as you know writing is 390 00:17:46,750 --> 00:17:44,840 a really kind of solitary lonely thing 391 00:17:48,430 --> 00:17:46,760 and you work on these things alone and 392 00:17:51,370 --> 00:17:48,440 then you ship it off somewhere and it's 393 00:17:54,310 --> 00:17:51,380 gone for months and you know a year goes 394 00:17:55,510 --> 00:17:54,320 by between the time that you write some 395 00:17:57,700 --> 00:17:55,520 of these things on the time that you 396 00:18:00,070 --> 00:17:57,710 hear anything kind of feedback back from 397 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:00,080 it so by the time you've waited that 398 00:18:05,860 --> 00:18:02,530 long when you do hear feedback it'sit's 399 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:05,870 extremely plus you know it's like rocket 400 00:18:09,700 --> 00:18:07,130 fuel it keeps you keeps you moving 401 00:18:11,860 --> 00:18:09,710 forward it's an interesting parallel 402 00:18:14,490 --> 00:18:11,870 there because in my other life as a 403 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:14,500 part-time actor I can do things and 404 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:16,970 maybe a year later or something like 405 00:18:24,780 --> 00:18:18,890 that they'll pop up on TV and people say 406 00:18:28,750 --> 00:18:27,100 exactly so well I hope you don't have 407 00:18:31,360 --> 00:18:28,760 any plans in the near future to give up 408 00:18:35,500 --> 00:18:31,370 your skeptical activities is that what 409 00:18:37,630 --> 00:18:35,510 takes up most of your time yeah junior 410 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:37,640 skeptic takes about two months out of 411 00:18:40,900 --> 00:18:39,170 every quarter and that leaves me a 412 00:18:42,700 --> 00:18:40,910 little bit of a little bit of time left 413 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:42,710 over for side projects and what you know 414 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:45,570 working late nights and weekends I got 415 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:47,970 to get some of these books made right 416 00:18:53,150 --> 00:18:51,690 now I have busiest or apparel will be my 417 00:18:55,850 --> 00:18:53,160 last book for a little while I'm just 418 00:18:57,500 --> 00:18:55,860 concentrating on junior skeptic and I I 419 00:19:00,760 --> 00:18:57,510 expect to be doing that for as long as 420 00:19:03,620 --> 00:19:00,770 they let me do it it's my first love and 421 00:19:04,940 --> 00:19:03,630 you know there's every once in a while 422 00:19:06,860 --> 00:19:04,950 somebody has to be oh well I guess 423 00:19:09,650 --> 00:19:06,870 you'll run out of these kind of far-out 424 00:19:12,830 --> 00:19:09,660 mysteries to tell in juniors yep yeah no 425 00:19:14,570 --> 00:19:12,840 no not so much you know you could you 426 00:19:16,310 --> 00:19:14,580 could live you could write this this for 427 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:16,320 a hundred lifetimes and you never get to 428 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:18,210 the bottom of it because not only are 429 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:20,010 there always new mysteries and not only 430 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:22,050 are there always more mysteries they're 431 00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:23,850 always deeper levels to go with these 432 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:26,880 mysteries and there is always a new 433 00:19:30,950 --> 00:19:28,490 audience that hasn't heard the old 434 00:19:33,830 --> 00:19:30,960 hasn't heard the old treatments in the 435 00:19:35,300 --> 00:19:33,840 first place so you know like the the 436 00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:35,310 kids that I started writing junior 437 00:19:39,500 --> 00:19:37,440 skeptic for you know they've graduated 438 00:19:40,970 --> 00:19:39,510 college now and some of them are you 439 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:40,980 know already thinking about starting 440 00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:42,690 families of their own well that's put a 441 00:19:46,730 --> 00:19:44,640 new perspective on it but what a good 442 00:19:48,620 --> 00:19:46,740 thing what a good thing the odds in a 443 00:19:51,230 --> 00:19:48,630 younger a life were reading junior 444 00:19:53,990 --> 00:19:51,240 skeptic and now progressing I might just 445 00:19:56,270 --> 00:19:54,000 quickly showed out to Valerie Wyatt my 446 00:19:58,520 --> 00:19:56,280 editor on all of my kids can press books 447 00:20:02,270 --> 00:19:58,530 including plesiosaur peril and evolution 448 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:02,280 and to Darren Naish over a tetrapod 449 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:05,730 zoology who served as science consultant 450 00:20:10,660 --> 00:20:08,490 on both plesiosaur peril and pterosaur 451 00:20:12,530 --> 00:20:10,670 trouble so paleo zoologist Aaron age 452 00:20:16,100 --> 00:20:12,540 helped me to get my facts straight 453 00:20:19,700 --> 00:20:16,110 anyway the book is cold please assault 454 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:19,710 peril you can get it by going to ww kids 455 00:20:24,020 --> 00:20:22,290 can press com or you can certainly find 456 00:20:26,210 --> 00:20:24,030 out more information about the book 457 00:20:28,730 --> 00:20:26,220 there I imagine you can get it all over 458 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:28,740 the place and it really is beautifully 459 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:31,650 illustrated at illustration scarcely is 460 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:33,450 the right word it's a beautifully 461 00:20:39,500 --> 00:20:36,450 photographed I think is probably more 462 00:20:41,780 --> 00:20:39,510 appropriate and it's a great story too 463 00:20:45,830 --> 00:20:41,790 why not order all three books while 464 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:45,840 you're at it yeah please Daniel Loxton 465 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:47,850 all the way from beautiful Canada one 466 00:20:52,060 --> 00:20:50,450 day I'll do a tour there I will do it 467 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:52,070 I look forward to it I have so many 468 00:21:05,770 --> 00:20:54,530 friends there Daniel Loxton thank you 469 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:05,780 very much thank you for having me did 470 00:21:09,850 --> 00:21:07,490 you see that UFO sighting that made the 471 00:21:12,130 --> 00:21:09,860 news what did that latest study about 472 00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:12,140 alternative treatments really say is 473 00:21:16,690 --> 00:21:13,760 this photo making the rounds real or 474 00:21:18,580 --> 00:21:16,700 hoax duffle news is a unique website 475 00:21:20,710 --> 00:21:18,590 featuring news about pseudoscience the 476 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:20,720 paranormal anomalies and questionable 477 00:21:25,390 --> 00:21:22,450 claims framed with the skeptical view 478 00:21:27,150 --> 00:21:25,400 come visit doubtful newscom every day 479 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:27,160 for news about cryptozoology 480 00:21:33,790 --> 00:21:30,890 conspiracies shams scams and more follow 481 00:21:35,350 --> 00:21:33,800 us on twitter at doubtful news critical 482 00:21:37,630 --> 00:21:35,360 thinking is essential in assessing 483 00:21:45,030 --> 00:21:37,640 today's news duffel news helps you 484 00:21:49,780 --> 00:21:47,830 it's the dawn of civilization humans 485 00:21:52,660 --> 00:21:49,790 have searched for ways to beat aging and 486 00:21:54,550 --> 00:21:52,670 live longer happier healthier lives for 487 00:21:57,130 --> 00:21:54,560 those looking for an answer recent 488 00:22:06,020 --> 00:21:57,140 research suggests that by eating less we 489 00:22:11,220 --> 00:22:08,820 of course we've known for a long time 490 00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:11,230 that a good diet can lead to a long life 491 00:22:17,220 --> 00:22:14,320 in a well-known experiment mice were fed 492 00:22:19,020 --> 00:22:17,230 a very low calorie diet and lived thirty 493 00:22:21,180 --> 00:22:19,030 percent longer we don't really 494 00:22:23,310 --> 00:22:21,190 understand how but evidence suggests 495 00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:23,320 that a low calorie diet increases the 496 00:22:27,780 --> 00:22:25,600 production of protective factors that 497 00:22:30,630 --> 00:22:27,790 prevent genetic mutation and help 498 00:22:33,150 --> 00:22:30,640 prepare damaged cells in simple terms a 499 00:22:35,100 --> 00:22:33,160 low calorie diet helps our bodies slow 500 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:35,110 the process of aging so what's the 501 00:22:38,940 --> 00:22:37,090 reason for this it's believed that a 502 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:38,950 calorie-restricted diet triggers an 503 00:22:42,930 --> 00:22:41,050 evolutionary advantage that would have 504 00:22:45,660 --> 00:22:42,940 allowed us to survive during times of 505 00:22:47,790 --> 00:22:45,670 famine the only drawback is that you 506 00:22:52,140 --> 00:22:47,800 have so little to eat very few people 507 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:52,150 stick with it a real life example is the 508 00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:54,970 Okinawa diet from the Japanese row yuku 509 00:22:59,970 --> 00:22:57,520 islands people here have the longest 510 00:23:02,640 --> 00:22:59,980 life expectancies in the world they're 511 00:23:05,130 --> 00:23:02,650 plant-based low-calorie diet is also 512 00:23:07,050 --> 00:23:05,140 considered a major factor the secret 513 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:07,060 seems to be not so much about what's in 514 00:23:12,030 --> 00:23:09,010 the diet but about what's missing from 515 00:23:15,330 --> 00:23:12,040 it but it's not just fewer calories the 516 00:23:18,090 --> 00:23:15,340 food eaten is fresh not processed making 517 00:23:20,820 --> 00:23:18,100 it much lower in salt fat protein and 518 00:23:24,060 --> 00:23:20,830 sugar than a typical modern Western diet 519 00:23:25,890 --> 00:23:24,070 a study in 2007 showed that Okinawan 520 00:23:28,860 --> 00:23:25,900 people following the indigenous diet 521 00:23:31,020 --> 00:23:28,870 were far less likely than an American of 522 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:31,030 the same age to end up with heart 523 00:23:36,810 --> 00:23:33,490 disease metabolic disorders and a number 524 00:23:40,039 --> 00:23:36,820 of common cancers and now time for for 525 00:23:43,019 --> 00:23:40,049 fast facts about diet and long life 526 00:23:44,759 --> 00:23:43,029 the traditional okinawan diet contains 527 00:23:47,070 --> 00:23:44,769 thirty percent green and yellow 528 00:23:48,629 --> 00:23:47,080 vegetables an Australian health report 529 00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:48,639 suggests that in the short term our 530 00:23:53,090 --> 00:23:51,039 current diets will reduce the Australian 531 00:23:55,889 --> 00:23:53,100 life expectancy by up to two years 532 00:23:57,899 --> 00:23:55,899 according to a UN report the Japanese 533 00:23:59,850 --> 00:23:57,909 have the highest proportion of 100 year 534 00:24:02,310 --> 00:23:59,860 olds in the world and the oldest person 535 00:24:06,659 --> 00:24:02,320 ever to have lived Frenchwoman jeanne 536 00:24:08,490 --> 00:24:06,669 calment who died in 1997 at 122 was a 537 00:24:12,379 --> 00:24:08,500 chocoholic who drowned her dinner in 538 00:24:14,700 --> 00:24:12,389 olive oil and drank red wine every day 539 00:24:16,860 --> 00:24:14,710 maybe less on your plate really does 540 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:16,870 equal more for more information check 541 00:24:32,759 --> 00:24:19,330 out the Arias website and we'll catch 542 00:24:37,830 --> 00:24:32,769 you here next week Bon Appetit and the 543 00:24:41,250 --> 00:24:37,840 cosmos is yours now 544 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:41,260 come with me as mentioned at the top of 545 00:24:45,899 --> 00:24:43,210 the show we have some winners we have 546 00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:45,909 some winners for the cosmos giveaway 547 00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:48,370 pack and these people chose numbers very 548 00:24:53,220 --> 00:24:50,640 close to the random number our 549 00:24:56,940 --> 00:24:53,230 international winner our international 550 00:25:00,450 --> 00:24:56,950 winner is get bonne terre well done get 551 00:25:02,820 --> 00:25:00,460 and get lives in Belgium yeah winner 552 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:02,830 from Belgium and the Australian winner 553 00:25:07,789 --> 00:25:04,570 lives right here in Sydney as it happens 554 00:25:10,980 --> 00:25:07,799 James merch congratulations James who 555 00:25:12,990 --> 00:25:10,990 told me when I delivered the the prize 556 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:13,000 package to him that he came up with a 557 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:14,770 number by looking at the speed of light 558 00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:19,570 in a vacuum hmm well done James and my 559 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:21,039 thanks goes out to the wonderful people 560 00:25:40,239 --> 00:25:23,730 at the National Geographic Channel or 561 00:25:48,589 --> 00:25:43,609 now it's time for dr. Rachel reports 562 00:25:51,169 --> 00:25:48,599 with dr. Rachel Dunlop holla listeners 563 00:25:53,539 --> 00:25:51,179 and welcomes dr. Richie reports well 564 00:25:57,469 --> 00:25:53,549 it's been a bad week for the avian or 565 00:26:00,049 --> 00:25:57,479 should I say the Avs n yes folks you 566 00:26:02,810 --> 00:26:00,059 heard it first here the avian has a new 567 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:02,820 name the Australian vaccine skeptics 568 00:26:06,829 --> 00:26:05,369 Network this was officially introduced 569 00:26:08,209 --> 00:26:06,839 on March the seventh when it was 570 00:26:10,279 --> 00:26:08,219 approved by the Department of Fair 571 00:26:12,139 --> 00:26:10,289 Trading now I can already hear some 572 00:26:14,329 --> 00:26:12,149 people starting to get cranky about this 573 00:26:17,839 --> 00:26:14,339 saying how can they co-opt that word for 574 00:26:19,519 --> 00:26:17,849 their own use but consider this even I 575 00:26:21,829 --> 00:26:19,529 was slightly annoyed when I first heard 576 00:26:23,810 --> 00:26:21,839 about that since myself and many of you 577 00:26:25,549 --> 00:26:23,820 listeners classify yourselves as 578 00:26:27,979 --> 00:26:25,559 skeptics of the scientific skepticism 579 00:26:29,869 --> 00:26:27,989 kind in fact the first time that we 580 00:26:32,509 --> 00:26:29,879 became suspicious that the avian might 581 00:26:33,979 --> 00:26:32,519 go after the word skeptic was after a 582 00:26:36,169 --> 00:26:33,989 decision was handed down by the 583 00:26:38,450 --> 00:26:36,179 administrative decisions tribunal about 584 00:26:40,700 --> 00:26:38,460 their name change where the magistrate 585 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:40,710 suggested in the finding that vaccine 586 00:26:46,039 --> 00:26:42,570 skeptic would be an appropriate name for 587 00:26:48,469 --> 00:26:46,049 the avian now somewhat disappointingly 588 00:26:50,389 --> 00:26:48,479 and also surprisingly the magistrate 589 00:26:52,669 --> 00:26:50,399 stated in her findings that she was not 590 00:26:55,789 --> 00:26:52,679 provided with evidence to convince her 591 00:26:57,289 --> 00:26:55,799 that the avian were anti-vaccine and 592 00:26:58,969 --> 00:26:57,299 this is despite the fact that the 593 00:27:00,649 --> 00:26:58,979 Department of Fair Trading had this 594 00:27:02,509 --> 00:27:00,659 evidence in bucket loads so I'm not 595 00:27:05,810 --> 00:27:02,519 quite sure why it was not tabled with 596 00:27:07,849 --> 00:27:05,820 her in any case it was clear to many of 597 00:27:10,190 --> 00:27:07,859 us then that the avian would go after 598 00:27:11,570 --> 00:27:10,200 the word skeptic and this is in spite of 599 00:27:14,719 --> 00:27:11,580 Meryl having used in a derogatory 600 00:27:18,049 --> 00:27:14,729 fashion for years often shortening it to 601 00:27:20,570 --> 00:27:18,059 septics at the same time however she had 602 00:27:23,989 --> 00:27:20,580 also decided she was a real skeptic and 603 00:27:26,629 --> 00:27:23,999 we are pseudo skeptics so after more 604 00:27:29,779 --> 00:27:26,639 than 12 months they have now become the 605 00:27:31,609 --> 00:27:29,789 Australian vaccine skeptic network now 606 00:27:33,799 --> 00:27:31,619 the reality is that the public 607 00:27:36,219 --> 00:27:33,809 perception of the tome skeptic is of 608 00:27:39,079 --> 00:27:36,229 climate change and moon landing skeptics 609 00:27:41,899 --> 00:27:39,089 911 skeptics and other assorted 610 00:27:43,969 --> 00:27:41,909 conspiracy nut jobs so in actual fact 611 00:27:45,700 --> 00:27:43,979 it's probably not a bad thing that 612 00:27:47,549 --> 00:27:45,710 they've got this tagged on to their name 613 00:27:50,009 --> 00:27:47,559 however in my opinion 614 00:27:51,509 --> 00:27:50,019 and the opinion of others including dr. 615 00:27:54,060 --> 00:27:51,519 Stephen Hamilton the head of the 616 00:27:56,850 --> 00:27:54,070 Australian Medical Association this name 617 00:27:58,560 --> 00:27:56,860 changed still doesn't go far enough what 618 00:28:00,060 --> 00:27:58,570 we would have obviously preferred and 619 00:28:02,519 --> 00:28:00,070 what would be ideal would be the 620 00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:02,529 anti-vaccine network but in reality we 621 00:28:06,629 --> 00:28:04,720 were never going to get there so in 622 00:28:08,129 --> 00:28:06,639 another twist on the name change Merrill 623 00:28:11,940 --> 00:28:08,139 is now claiming that she can maintain 624 00:28:15,629 --> 00:28:11,950 the acronym avian and the URL avian org 625 00:28:19,499 --> 00:28:15,639 because vaccines hyphen skeptics is one 626 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:19,509 word I don't know about this also of 627 00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:21,129 interest is another person had 628 00:28:26,100 --> 00:28:23,679 registered Australian vaccine skeptics 629 00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:26,110 network but with skeptic with a C and 630 00:28:31,259 --> 00:28:28,809 without the hyphen between skeptics and 631 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:31,269 network and they did this months before 632 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:34,090 the avian did so really according to 633 00:28:37,739 --> 00:28:36,369 business law in Australia they really 634 00:28:39,810 --> 00:28:37,749 shouldn't have been allowed to register 635 00:28:41,249 --> 00:28:39,820 this name because it's too similar to 636 00:28:44,430 --> 00:28:41,259 the one that had already been registered 637 00:28:46,049 --> 00:28:44,440 in December 2013 this person now has a 638 00:28:48,029 --> 00:28:46,059 right to challenge them on their name 639 00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:48,039 and so this may be the beginning of 640 00:28:52,649 --> 00:28:51,279 another saga in any case I imagine the 641 00:28:55,409 --> 00:28:52,659 ovn are pretty pleased with themselves 642 00:28:57,299 --> 00:28:55,419 for pulling this little stunt but 643 00:28:59,100 --> 00:28:57,309 unfortunately for them the media 644 00:29:02,789 --> 00:28:59,110 coverage of the name change was peppered 645 00:29:05,519 --> 00:29:02,799 with the acronym AVS N and referring to 646 00:29:07,619 --> 00:29:05,529 them as anti-vaccine now this prompted 647 00:29:10,259 --> 00:29:07,629 Meryl Dory the public officer to half 648 00:29:12,869 --> 00:29:10,269 that she had told these people they are 649 00:29:14,430 --> 00:29:12,879 still known as the avian now I wonder 650 00:29:16,889 --> 00:29:14,440 what the minister for Fair Trading will 651 00:29:18,899 --> 00:29:16,899 have to say about that the avian 652 00:29:21,749 --> 00:29:18,909 smugness however was short-lived because 653 00:29:23,970 --> 00:29:21,759 in the following day the first draft of 654 00:29:25,980 --> 00:29:23,980 the 2013 a healthcare Complaints 655 00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:25,990 Commission investigation into them was 656 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:29,200 released now listeners may recall that 657 00:29:34,830 --> 00:29:31,450 the H Triple C first investigated the 658 00:29:36,749 --> 00:29:34,840 avian back in 2009 and this resulted in 659 00:29:38,759 --> 00:29:36,759 the H Triple C issuing a public warning 660 00:29:41,970 --> 00:29:38,769 about the information on the avians 661 00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:41,980 website now the avian famously 662 00:29:46,739 --> 00:29:43,360 successfully challenged this 663 00:29:48,509 --> 00:29:46,749 investigation on a technicality thus the 664 00:29:51,239 --> 00:29:48,519 finding was overturned and the public 665 00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:51,249 mourning was quashed in addition the 666 00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:53,440 avians charity license had been taken 667 00:29:58,529 --> 00:29:55,840 away but was reinstated after the 668 00:30:00,389 --> 00:29:58,539 finding was overturned there must have 669 00:30:00,930 --> 00:30:00,399 been some very red faces in various 670 00:30:04,140 --> 00:30:00,940 government 671 00:30:05,610 --> 00:30:04,150 achren hymns that day however the New 672 00:30:08,370 --> 00:30:05,620 South Wales Government was determined 673 00:30:10,110 --> 00:30:08,380 not to give up chasing the avian so the 674 00:30:12,450 --> 00:30:10,120 technicality which trip them up last 675 00:30:15,090 --> 00:30:12,460 time and was their undoing was changed 676 00:30:16,890 --> 00:30:15,100 by legislation and included now an 677 00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:16,900 amendment that enables the Health 678 00:30:22,370 --> 00:30:19,840 Commissioner to instigate investigations 679 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:22,380 even if the public does not complain 680 00:30:27,030 --> 00:30:24,850 that's almost as soon as they'd made 681 00:30:30,030 --> 00:30:27,040 this legislative changed they began a 682 00:30:32,190 --> 00:30:30,040 second investigation into the avian the 683 00:30:34,500 --> 00:30:32,200 draft report was released on Tuesday and 684 00:30:36,510 --> 00:30:34,510 was published by the a BSN as they are 685 00:30:39,630 --> 00:30:36,520 now given an opportunity to respond to 686 00:30:41,970 --> 00:30:39,640 the Commission's requests essentially 687 00:30:44,130 --> 00:30:41,980 when the H Triple C trolled the Avs ends 688 00:30:46,650 --> 00:30:44,140 website and selected 8 points that they 689 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:46,660 identified as misleading then they asked 690 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:48,610 experts to analyze whether they were 691 00:30:53,130 --> 00:30:51,730 misleading and why their findings make 692 00:30:55,890 --> 00:30:53,140 for some good reading and you can access 693 00:30:58,140 --> 00:30:55,900 the full PDF on my website on the blog 694 00:31:00,750 --> 00:30:58,150 skeptics book com if you want to read 695 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:00,760 that later but mostly it's laden with 696 00:31:07,620 --> 00:31:03,610 things such as remove this claim and do 697 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:07,630 not replace for example remove any claim 698 00:31:12,390 --> 00:31:09,850 that vaccines cause autism and do not 699 00:31:14,430 --> 00:31:12,400 replace remove any claim that says 700 00:31:17,370 --> 00:31:14,440 vaccines have never been tested and do 701 00:31:19,740 --> 00:31:17,380 not replace one wonders just how much 702 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:19,750 stuff will remain on the AVS in sight if 703 00:31:23,910 --> 00:31:21,370 they agree to cooperate in this 704 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:23,920 investigation but the Lud's that has 705 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:26,050 come out of this has been astounding 706 00:31:31,410 --> 00:31:28,690 because the avsm has published several 707 00:31:32,610 --> 00:31:31,420 of their responses to the H Triple C and 708 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:32,620 as you can guess their chock-a-block 709 00:31:39,570 --> 00:31:37,210 filled with hubris and hilarity so it 710 00:31:41,370 --> 00:31:39,580 seems very unlikely that the avian will 711 00:31:44,460 --> 00:31:41,380 comply with the request of the H Triple 712 00:31:47,010 --> 00:31:44,470 C and it seems that the H Triple C also 713 00:31:49,620 --> 00:31:47,020 think this is the case because they've 714 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:49,630 already written a new public warning 715 00:31:53,550 --> 00:31:51,850 that will be released if and when the 716 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:53,560 avian refused to comply with their 717 00:31:59,700 --> 00:31:57,490 requests so I must say I'm very pleased 718 00:32:01,590 --> 00:31:59,710 to see this warning back again in fact 719 00:32:04,050 --> 00:32:01,600 it's different to the previous one but 720 00:32:07,710 --> 00:32:04,060 this one's even better but that's not 721 00:32:10,140 --> 00:32:07,720 all the icing on the cake this week came 722 00:32:12,660 --> 00:32:10,150 earlier today when it was noticed that 723 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:12,670 the avian had surrendered their charity 724 00:32:16,130 --> 00:32:13,890 license 725 00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:16,140 so stop the Australian vaccination 726 00:32:19,820 --> 00:32:18,240 network of which I am a member have been 727 00:32:22,730 --> 00:32:19,830 trying to get the mainstream media 728 00:32:25,340 --> 00:32:22,740 interested in the AVS ends financial 729 00:32:26,900 --> 00:32:25,350 statements for some time since we've 730 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:26,910 been poring over them for quite a while 731 00:32:31,580 --> 00:32:28,650 and we've noticed some pretty big holes 732 00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:31,590 and discrepancies particularly for a 733 00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:36,000 charity so for example just picking some 734 00:32:40,730 --> 00:32:37,440 from the financial statements that we 735 00:32:42,830 --> 00:32:40,740 have in 2010 there was a hundred and 736 00:32:45,620 --> 00:32:42,840 seventy thousand dollars listed as other 737 00:32:47,510 --> 00:32:45,630 expenses that's pretty huge for 738 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:47,520 something that's not specified what it 739 00:32:52,790 --> 00:32:50,970 is there was five thousand dollars paid 740 00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:52,800 to merrill dory for each edition of 741 00:32:59,510 --> 00:32:54,960 their now defunct magazine in editors 742 00:33:01,280 --> 00:32:59,520 fees and in 2003 and 2004 they spent 743 00:33:04,190 --> 00:33:01,290 thirty nine thousand dollars on 744 00:33:05,770 --> 00:33:04,200 computers and this was in addition to 745 00:33:09,140 --> 00:33:05,780 the cost they spent on the website 746 00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:09,150 that's huge and even more of a worry for 747 00:33:14,930 --> 00:33:12,720 a charity but what is more worrying is 748 00:33:17,330 --> 00:33:14,940 that the financial statements provide no 749 00:33:20,980 --> 00:33:17,340 evidence whatsoever that any of these 750 00:33:24,980 --> 00:33:20,990 monies are going to charitable purposes 751 00:33:27,050 --> 00:33:24,990 most recently for example the avsm were 752 00:33:29,150 --> 00:33:27,060 promoting a crowdsourcing campaign for a 753 00:33:32,450 --> 00:33:29,160 child who suffered a very rare vaccine 754 00:33:34,100 --> 00:33:32,460 reaction which rendered her blind her 755 00:33:36,620 --> 00:33:34,110 parents were raising money to build her 756 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:36,630 a sensory garden yet despite a monetary 757 00:33:41,810 --> 00:33:38,970 challenge from an essay Vienna to match 758 00:33:44,060 --> 00:33:41,820 his thousand-dollar donation the avn 759 00:33:47,450 --> 00:33:44,070 never did donate to that cause as far as 760 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:47,460 we know and this is despite Meryl Dory 761 00:33:51,860 --> 00:33:50,130 claiming publicly that the avn helps 762 00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:51,870 vaccine injured children and families 763 00:33:58,730 --> 00:33:55,760 every day quite despicable in my opinion 764 00:34:00,620 --> 00:33:58,740 however in an unusual move for the AVS n 765 00:34:02,690 --> 00:34:00,630 yesterday they published a blog post in 766 00:34:04,970 --> 00:34:02,700 response to an inquiry from a journalist 767 00:34:06,410 --> 00:34:04,980 about their finances this story was 768 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:06,420 released yesterday in the mainstream 769 00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:09,090 media in Australia the funniest part 770 00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:11,280 about the story was the byline which was 771 00:34:15,500 --> 00:34:13,169 a quote from the accountant that the 772 00:34:18,110 --> 00:34:15,510 newspaper employed to troll over the 773 00:34:20,889 --> 00:34:18,120 finances which was this is the worst set 774 00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:20,899 of financial statements I have ever seen 775 00:34:26,810 --> 00:34:24,480 so perhaps the Avs n began to realize 776 00:34:27,290 --> 00:34:26,820 that they could no longer justify their 777 00:34:28,970 --> 00:34:27,300 charity 778 00:34:31,550 --> 00:34:28,980 licensed if they were challenged on it 779 00:34:33,110 --> 00:34:31,560 it may also have been that phone call 780 00:34:36,020 --> 00:34:33,120 from a journalist asking them about 781 00:34:37,850 --> 00:34:36,030 their expenditure that contributed to 782 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:37,860 them saying it's all too much and they 783 00:34:44,210 --> 00:34:41,130 gave it up and not before time how the 784 00:34:46,940 --> 00:34:44,220 hell and anti-vaccine organization ever 785 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:46,950 ever got charity status I will never 786 00:34:52,250 --> 00:34:49,290 know but at least they don't have it 787 00:34:55,150 --> 00:34:52,260 anymore so what started off for the avn 788 00:34:57,590 --> 00:34:55,160 as a reasonably good week ended in tears 789 00:34:59,900 --> 00:34:57,600 you can find the link to the full h 790 00:35:02,090 --> 00:34:59,910 Triple C report and read the blog of 791 00:35:03,710 --> 00:35:02,100 this edition of dr. Rachel reports on 792 00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:03,720 the official blog of the skeptics own 793 00:35:14,890 --> 00:35:06,960 skeptics book calm and until next time 794 00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:19,130 hey Kenny oh hi Tom I see this part yeah 795 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:22,609 yes great weather oh look a unicorn 796 00:35:28,220 --> 00:35:25,050 unicorn there are no such things as 797 00:35:30,380 --> 00:35:28,230 unicorns silly yes there is no there 798 00:35:33,530 --> 00:35:30,390 isn't hey guys what are you arguing 799 00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:33,540 about tom thinks unicorns are real say 800 00:35:38,780 --> 00:35:35,760 so our let's look this up in the 801 00:35:40,910 --> 00:35:38,790 skeptics dictionary the what how can we 802 00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:40,920 do this in this bar there is no computer 803 00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:42,480 here you guys probably don't know about 804 00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:44,609 the skeptics dictionary app available 805 00:35:51,260 --> 00:35:47,760 now for iPhone iPad and iPod touch in 806 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:51,270 the app store Wow cool the app lets you 807 00:35:54,829 --> 00:35:53,130 access all of the great skeptics 808 00:35:57,859 --> 00:35:54,839 dictionary articles when you're on the 809 00:36:00,770 --> 00:35:57,869 go here let me look up unicorns sound 810 00:36:03,079 --> 00:36:00,780 cool Kenny prepare to be proven wrong it 811 00:36:06,859 --> 00:36:03,089 says here the Unicorn is a creature from 812 00:36:08,329 --> 00:36:06,869 fables aha actually I see now that 813 00:36:11,150 --> 00:36:08,339 someone just dumped their ice cream cone 814 00:36:19,579 --> 00:36:11,160 on that horse's head thanks skeptics 815 00:36:27,460 --> 00:36:19,589 dictionary iphone app his may not spooky 816 00:36:31,820 --> 00:36:30,200 are you psychic do you ever get the 817 00:36:35,330 --> 00:36:31,830 feeling of the phones about to ring and 818 00:36:37,850 --> 00:36:35,340 dinner does spooky huh well why not call 819 00:36:39,620 --> 00:36:37,860 Maynard spooky psychic line it will give 820 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:39,630 you here e predictions that you ignore 821 00:36:44,450 --> 00:36:41,970 at your parole thank you for calling I 822 00:36:46,430 --> 00:36:44,460 see a man in a brown hat he offers you 823 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:46,440 moose take this moose it will change the 824 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:47,850 government's environmental policy Oh 825 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:50,370 Stuart handlers are spooky moose from 826 00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:53,490 the spooky side mock if you dare a bald 827 00:36:57,020 --> 00:36:54,960 man will send you something feel in the 828 00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:57,030 mouth open the veil but do not knock it 829 00:37:01,070 --> 00:36:58,800 will save your life in a bizarre boating 830 00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:01,080 accident see your future be your future 831 00:37:12,380 --> 00:37:10,320 on Maynard G psychic line you tease of 832 00:37:13,730 --> 00:37:12,390 swinging music as we out to lunch with 833 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:13,740 Richard Saunders Richard of course the 834 00:37:16,730 --> 00:37:15,210 big skeptical episode going on the 835 00:37:19,580 --> 00:37:16,740 moment issue is what happened to that 836 00:37:21,470 --> 00:37:19,590 plane I'm calling I'm going to be no 837 00:37:23,390 --> 00:37:21,480 agenda solution i'd say the pilot 838 00:37:25,490 --> 00:37:23,400 government completely rid of the 839 00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:25,500 passengers and the 1000 pound lithium 840 00:37:28,190 --> 00:37:26,730 battery wait that was added to the 841 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:28,200 flight just before takeoff was not a 842 00:37:31,820 --> 00:37:29,970 lithium battery but in fact some sort of 843 00:37:33,530 --> 00:37:31,830 special cargo that the crew has got paid 844 00:37:35,210 --> 00:37:33,540 off on in the jungles of Malaysia 845 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:35,220 somewhere where they landed end of story 846 00:37:38,450 --> 00:37:36,690 don't bother investigating any further 847 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:38,460 how does your skeptical brain take that 848 00:37:43,220 --> 00:37:40,770 one mr. Saunders I only know where to 849 00:37:44,780 --> 00:37:43,230 stab me know where to start although 850 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:44,790 this one I feel is going to be 851 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:46,770 conspiracy theories around this for 852 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:50,130 years to come but as of the moment when 853 00:37:53,540 --> 00:37:51,330 we're recording this on a Friday 854 00:37:54,890 --> 00:37:53,550 afternoon they haven't found it this is 855 00:37:56,510 --> 00:37:54,900 what is one where science has led us 856 00:37:59,210 --> 00:37:56,520 down a bit the black box isn't beeping 857 00:38:00,580 --> 00:37:59,220 away the transponder was turned off I'm 858 00:38:02,630 --> 00:38:00,590 surprised I would have thought that 859 00:38:04,100 --> 00:38:02,640 aircraft would have something which was 860 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:04,110 tamper proof and foolproof which would 861 00:38:08,170 --> 00:38:06,050 always transmit but I 862 00:38:10,180 --> 00:38:08,180 I don't know enough about it whom I 863 00:38:11,890 --> 00:38:10,190 should have sung like that on my car I 864 00:38:13,780 --> 00:38:11,900 suspect as well I've got no idea where 865 00:38:15,010 --> 00:38:13,790 well since last Tuesday thank you thank 866 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:15,020 you that was on but uncle Neville giving 867 00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:16,370 us some drinks here we're actually at 868 00:38:20,500 --> 00:38:18,320 the s a record crepe we will be doing a 869 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:20,510 mad club gig in on the sick de Beaufort 870 00:38:25,990 --> 00:38:23,930 hmm yes what's that all about nine acres 871 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:26,000 I've seen that coming up I've right I've 872 00:38:29,470 --> 00:38:28,130 done a commercial for it on the skipping 873 00:38:32,020 --> 00:38:29,480 zone you're going to be hearing gleam 874 00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:32,030 new point road opposite bad manners 875 00:38:37,390 --> 00:38:34,720 which is a popular landmark mmm in a 876 00:38:39,790 --> 00:38:37,400 couple weeks eh yep no I'm just doing a 877 00:38:41,110 --> 00:38:39,800 gig it's just a free gig upstairs here 878 00:38:43,180 --> 00:38:41,120 with the record crave the fit fits about 879 00:38:44,500 --> 00:38:43,190 50 people nice a lounge room environment 880 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:44,510 I was just here one day looking at the 881 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:46,490 second hand records on the wall because 882 00:38:50,590 --> 00:38:48,410 it's a secondhand record shop a coffee 883 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:50,600 bar and a bar all in one really why 884 00:38:53,860 --> 00:38:51,650 would you ever leave the only thing 885 00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:53,870 missing is television really good yeah a 886 00:38:57,580 --> 00:38:56,480 good thing yeah and I thought we'd come 887 00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:57,590 here having to sit in there do a chat 888 00:38:59,860 --> 00:38:58,640 about am I going to be I'm going to be 889 00:39:01,510 --> 00:38:59,870 playing some swing and music all 890 00:39:02,890 --> 00:39:01,520 afternoon for about three hours oh 891 00:39:04,810 --> 00:39:02,900 you're the man and you know a lot about 892 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:04,820 these record covers which are everywhere 893 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:06,170 let's have a look well this is why I 894 00:39:09,310 --> 00:39:07,370 brought you here which I thought we'll 895 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:09,320 just do the we'll just do a record cover 896 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:11,330 a Throwdown challenge now we've got 897 00:39:16,660 --> 00:39:13,610 about a dozen records in front of us 898 00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:16,670 ranging from Peggy Lee through to the 899 00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:18,320 soundtrack of morning of the earth which 900 00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:20,000 is what that is your that is your huge 901 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:21,920 stoner surfer film Richard if you've 902 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:23,690 never seen morning of the earth I'm in 903 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:25,970 one of the great stoner I haven't yet oh 904 00:39:31,050 --> 00:39:29,050 yeah Australian serving film now 905 00:39:34,110 --> 00:39:31,060 always has a few David Bowie's now how 906 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:34,120 many of these records of the 15 in front 907 00:39:41,340 --> 00:39:39,610 of us and you got Quincy Jones oh who 908 00:39:45,330 --> 00:39:41,350 else we got that you know what is it 909 00:39:47,310 --> 00:39:45,340 like Jagger from yes but from the movie 910 00:39:49,830 --> 00:39:47,320 performance good grief I'm afraid I 911 00:39:51,660 --> 00:39:49,840 don't have any Wow okay starting from 912 00:39:53,850 --> 00:39:51,670 the top I've got run away boys by the 913 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:53,860 stray cats I've got the Peggy Lee album 914 00:39:59,100 --> 00:39:55,930 if you go I've got changes one Bowie 915 00:40:01,800 --> 00:39:59,110 I've got what number that Bowie album 916 00:40:03,150 --> 00:40:01,810 I've got space oddity Bowie I've got the 917 00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:03,160 best of the Johnny Carson Tonight Show 918 00:40:07,290 --> 00:40:05,200 I've got when the boys meet the girls 919 00:40:08,970 --> 00:40:07,300 there you go so that's I've got about a 920 00:40:12,300 --> 00:40:08,980 third of those albums on the wall isn't 921 00:40:14,310 --> 00:40:12,310 that just plain flat out sad yes and no 922 00:40:15,870 --> 00:40:14,320 main idea what's this when the boys meet 923 00:40:18,180 --> 00:40:15,880 the girls look at hello Connie Francis 924 00:40:20,820 --> 00:40:18,190 movie it's fantastic look I'm sure Brian 925 00:40:22,260 --> 00:40:20,830 Thompson he would be a guy with Abeloth 926 00:40:23,820 --> 00:40:22,270 had in his collection I'm sure he's 927 00:40:25,740 --> 00:40:23,830 mentioned it on his credit podcast at 928 00:40:28,620 --> 00:40:25,750 some stage to set the scene listeners 929 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:28,630 we're in a nice little place with water 930 00:40:36,620 --> 00:40:31,570 wall LPS on the wall and I'll just get a 931 00:40:40,830 --> 00:40:39,360 in front of us are rows and rows of the 932 00:40:42,780 --> 00:40:40,840 classic what you'd see in a record shop 933 00:40:44,910 --> 00:40:42,790 right may not you have bins and bins and 934 00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:44,920 bins of record we're in the folk section 935 00:40:48,030 --> 00:40:46,000 yeah well we've got to move away from 936 00:40:49,830 --> 00:40:48,040 that really you know you can't get too 937 00:40:53,550 --> 00:40:49,840 much folk I say but it's possible 938 00:40:54,930 --> 00:40:53,560 eighties 80s I'll Maynard yeah 80s now 939 00:40:56,250 --> 00:40:54,940 here's an album that I bought when I was 940 00:40:59,010 --> 00:40:56,260 a teenager that made me incredibly 941 00:41:00,810 --> 00:40:59,020 depressed Bob Dylan's masterpieces for 942 00:41:02,820 --> 00:41:00,820 some reason I thought flying a Bob Dylan 943 00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:02,830 triple album would be a uplifting 944 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:04,960 experience I've got that the spike album 945 00:41:08,310 --> 00:41:07,090 by Elvis Costello yeah it would be an 946 00:41:10,350 --> 00:41:08,320 uplifting experience but Bob Dylan's 947 00:41:11,790 --> 00:41:10,360 very depressing apparently he sings 948 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:11,800 political songs which was not really 949 00:41:15,180 --> 00:41:13,330 what I was into in the ages of the child 950 00:41:17,070 --> 00:41:15,190 I was into the human league and altered 951 00:41:19,350 --> 00:41:17,080 images they look at this selection Paul 952 00:41:22,140 --> 00:41:19,360 Young all young my goodness tree hugger 953 00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:22,150 Chicago it's all here folks yeah and it 954 00:41:25,830 --> 00:41:24,400 is it's amazing that these very cool 955 00:41:27,390 --> 00:41:25,840 look at that under shell shocked album 956 00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:27,400 isn't that just keep thinking someone's 957 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:29,440 going to buy that one day I swing yep 958 00:41:34,170 --> 00:41:31,090 yep that's a nice am Andrey single on 959 00:41:36,180 --> 00:41:34,180 that so people are interested it oh wow 960 00:41:38,580 --> 00:41:36,190 what is a real estate developer no that 961 00:41:40,020 --> 00:41:38,590 was not to sell my little sister I think 962 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:40,030 was one of the singles off that day I 963 00:41:43,860 --> 00:41:41,650 mean plain an entrepreneur Isis is in 964 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:43,870 here hmm let me know so what is there to 965 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:45,370 be skeptical about secondhand record 966 00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:46,570 shop apart from where the record 967 00:41:50,970 --> 00:41:48,880 scratched or nitrogen not much I must 968 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:50,980 admit not much it'll ruin the 70 section 969 00:41:56,010 --> 00:41:53,890 now Billy Joel we've got here Robert 970 00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:56,020 Palmer I'm a Palmer oh man it's all 971 00:42:01,770 --> 00:41:57,370 happen are they looking for clothes out 972 00:42:03,540 --> 00:42:01,780 of hook Wow yeah this online this year 973 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:03,550 so they must push again this is it was 974 00:42:08,100 --> 00:42:06,370 over the record crate which is right on 975 00:42:09,450 --> 00:42:08,110 so many levels but this is where you 976 00:42:11,580 --> 00:42:09,460 need to look over here ichigo's you 977 00:42:13,530 --> 00:42:11,590 maybe you thinking okay thinking albums 978 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:13,540 are thinking 12 inches but they saw 979 00:42:16,530 --> 00:42:14,890 seven inches here and this is what i 980 00:42:19,290 --> 00:42:16,540 like is actual prices on some of these 981 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:19,300 now on my podcast i've already explored 982 00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:21,850 the the enough llama the the 983 00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:24,310 unexplainable riddle of the fact it's 984 00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:26,800 much it's like it's like it's like cold 985 00:42:30,270 --> 00:42:28,240 fusion it can't be really properly 986 00:42:31,590 --> 00:42:30,280 explained that there were 37 inch 987 00:42:33,060 --> 00:42:31,600 morrissey singles there for fifty 988 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:33,070 dollars each and they all sold within a 989 00:42:39,020 --> 00:42:35,890 month that's hard it's 150 bucks worth 990 00:42:40,820 --> 00:42:39,030 of morrissey guys look David Bowie yep 991 00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:40,830 men Richard it and here's something 992 00:42:45,620 --> 00:42:42,720 skeptical there you go the 7 inch of XTC 993 00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:45,630 dear God with a pen through the hand yes 994 00:42:49,460 --> 00:42:47,760 that's the picture covers it is so 995 00:42:52,340 --> 00:42:49,470 people who come along to the mag club 996 00:42:53,930 --> 00:42:52,350 gig there you can spend hours going 997 00:42:55,010 --> 00:42:53,940 through all this oh yeah and most of the 998 00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:55,020 stuff i'll be playing will probably 999 00:42:57,950 --> 00:42:56,160 about will downstairs on secondhand 1000 00:42:59,600 --> 00:42:57,960 records but we upstairs goofing alone 1001 00:43:00,920 --> 00:42:59,610 will ever Jeff the shopkeepers I used to 1002 00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:00,930 work with at the mag club I think Tim 1003 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:02,250 rich is putting in an appearance and of 1004 00:43:05,690 --> 00:43:04,050 course sir I make Tony push will be 1005 00:43:07,310 --> 00:43:05,700 there he's reality challenged and he'll 1006 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:07,320 be turning up as the human information 1007 00:43:10,130 --> 00:43:08,610 booth he's got this little cardboard 1008 00:43:12,620 --> 00:43:10,140 booth he's going to make cut a slot 1009 00:43:13,940 --> 00:43:12,630 Anderton people who can put requests 1010 00:43:15,530 --> 00:43:13,950 through to him and he'll tell them 1011 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:15,540 thinks through the slot what's the date 1012 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:18,330 again ok that's between 3 and the 6 1013 00:43:22,850 --> 00:43:20,970 o'clock in the afternoon on the sunday 1014 00:43:25,250 --> 00:43:22,860 the sixth of April do come along come 1015 00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:25,260 along meet me now meet the gang I think 1016 00:43:28,010 --> 00:43:26,730 it'll be a great afternoon and it's free 1017 00:43:29,390 --> 00:43:28,020 so come along and if you don't like it 1018 00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:29,400 you can just walk in pretend you didn't 1019 00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:30,720 see anyone you know and walk the right 1020 00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:32,160 back out again and no one to be any 1021 00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:52,740 hi I'm Finn and I'm Rebecca and where 1022 00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:54,880 the skipper clones skipper Collins is an 1023 00:43:58,319 --> 00:43:56,650 Irish podcast by the Dublin skeptics 1024 00:43:59,880 --> 00:43:58,329 society it takes a conversational 1025 00:44:01,140 --> 00:43:59,890 reverent look at science news and 1026 00:44:04,650 --> 00:44:01,150 skeptical topics from an Irish 1027 00:44:08,820 --> 00:44:04,660 perspective you can 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00:46:46,050 --> 00:46:43,540 time to serve the old vocal chords 1084 00:46:48,540 --> 00:46:46,060 before I go a big thank you as ever 1085 00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:48,550 there's wonderful people who chip into 1086 00:46:54,300 --> 00:46:51,520 the skeptic zone that skeptics on TV via 1087 00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:54,310 paypal micropayments have less than a 1088 00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:57,130 dollar a week that basically lets me 1089 00:47:02,570 --> 00:47:00,640 keep producing the skeptic zone but 1090 00:47:09,780 --> 00:47:02,580 until next week this is Richard Saunders 1091 00:47:13,170 --> 00:47:09,790 signing off from Sydney Australia you've 1092 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:13,180 been listening to the skeptic zone visit 1093 00:47:20,250 --> 00:47:17,770 our website at www skeptics on TV for